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Weird ITA results...via train?

  • Wasn't sure which forum to post this but I got a weird result on ITA...

    Atlanta, GA to Philadelphia, PA: 665 miles 2 hrs 2 min
    United Airlines United Airlines Flight UA1764 on a Boeing 737 (jet) in coach class
    (operated by US Airways as Flight US1558)
    (food for purchase)
    Departs Atlanta, GA (ATL) Fri, Dec 8 6:40a 2 hrs 2 min
    Arrives Philadelphia, PA (PHL) 8:42a

    Philadelphia, PA to Atlanta, GA: 819 miles 4 hrs 45 min
    Continental Airlines Continental Airlines Flight CO 9455 on a train in coach class
    (operated by AMTRAK TRAIN 152)
    Departs Philadelphia, PA (ZFV) Sun, Dec 10 10:19a 1 hr 0 min
    Arrives Newark, NJ (EWR) 11:19a
    Layover in Newark 1 hr 11 min
    Continental Airlines Continental Airlines Flight CO 1159 on a Boeing 737 (jet) in coach class
    (snack)
    Departs Newark, NJ (EWR) Sun, Dec 10 12:30p 2 hrs 34 min
    Arrives Atlanta, GA (ATL) 3:04p
    Note: You must change terminals in Newark (EWR).



    What in gods name is going on? Why is there a train with a CO flight number?

    Sorry if this is a repost but I was just shocked.


  • I think UA used to have some bus codeshares from DEN to some Colorado ski towns. Not sure if they still do.

    CO codeshares with Amtrak on certain trains between EWR and:
    New Haven Station, CT (ZVE)
    Stamford Station, CT (ZTF)
    Philadelphia 30th Street Station, PA (ZFV)
    Wilmington Station, DE (ZWI)

    As stated above, booking ZFV-EWR-onward sometimes is actually cheaper than simply booking EWR-onward, since CO sometimes prices ZFV to compete with WN, while EWR is a fortress hub. The really good deals aren't as common any more, but it's often worth checking. Search the CO forum for ZFV for several lengthy threads on the subject.


  • IIRC, CO has been partnering w/ AmSmash for quite a while now.


  • I could swear there's some segment in the northeast US that comes up as "on a bus" but I can't find it at the moment. Somewhere in PA possibly.


    Possibly you're thinking of ABE (Allentown, PA) to EWR on CO - which is operated as a CO flight number on a bus. There's probably others as well.


  • I'm going to call BS on this. The NS has a very close relationship with KL, and also Skyteam, and until you show me, there is no way that Norwegian State Railway has anything to do with this.

    Apparently ITA is displaying the wrong information for IATA code 9B. I did a search for AMS-BRU on Orbitz instead and it comes up as AccesRail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AccesRail), which appears to sell train services as "flights" for several different operators. This is the correct "airline" for 9B "flights", not Norwegian State Railways.

    AccesRail is apparently based out of Quebec, Canada though. That's even further away than Norway so I'd say we're both somewhat wrong! :p

    I'm actually mildly disappointed at the KL relationship with the NS. I wanted to fly LHR-AMS-RTM roundtrip a couple weeks ago, with the connecting AMS-RTM segment on an NS train of course, but it required the itinerary to be paper ticketed. Wasn't possible since I was booking a day or two in advance, so I just flew into AMS instead. (LHR-RTM was actually even cheaper than LHR-AMS.)


  • Yes - CO has, "flights" from zfv (Philadelphia 30th Street Station) (and a some other non-air places as well). There are many threads on ZFV. Often, those, "flights" are pretty good deals as CO matches WN fares out of PHL with flights out of Newark accessed via Amtrak.


  • This is nothing new, for years ITA software has come up with train connections within the UK, and I've often had TGV connections come up for trips within France.


  • As pointed out all these rail and bus segments have been showing on ITA for years.

    Another example is the London Victoria (ZEP) - LGW train segment also with a Norwegian state railways flight Number!


  • Last time I checked AMS nor BRU are anywhere near Norway, and therefore are not operated by Norwegian State Railways. My feeling is that you are mistaking the NS (Nederlandse Spoorwegen, which is the Dutch National Railway), which operates the AMS-BRU leg via train, which makes sense seeing as AMS is in the NETHERLANDS.

    I was just stating what it says when you do a search. The train is OPERATED by the Dutch NS as you said (which I've had several pleasant experiences with in the past month), but I believe it'd be booked as Norwegian State Railways if through airline booking channels.

    Possibly you're thinking of ABE (Allentown, PA) to EWR on CO - which is operated as a CO flight number on a bus. There's probably others as well.

    Ah, yes. ABE-EWR is exactly what I was thinking of.

    Continental Airlines Flight CO 3305 on a bus in coach class
    (operated by EXPRESSJET AIRLINES INC DBA CO EXP BUS)

    ITA also shows "bus segment" in red under Warnings :) And it's $327 round-trip if you want to book just the bus! (Yeah yeah, obviously it's intended for connections.)


  • I believe if you try to fly to Rockford, Illinois, you are often booked on a bus from O'Hare onward.


  • Wasn't sure which forum to post this but I got a weird result on ITA...

    Atlanta, GA to Philadelphia, PA: 665 miles 2 hrs 2 min
    United Airlines United Airlines Flight UA1764 on a Boeing 737 (jet) in coach class
    (operated by US Airways as Flight US1558)
    (food for purchase)
    Departs Atlanta, GA (ATL) Fri, Dec 8 6:40a 2 hrs 2 min
    Arrives Philadelphia, PA (PHL) 8:42a

    Philadelphia, PA to Atlanta, GA: 819 miles 4 hrs 45 min
    Continental Airlines Continental Airlines Flight CO 9455 on a train in coach class
    (operated by AMTRAK TRAIN 152)
    Departs Philadelphia, PA (ZFV) Sun, Dec 10 10:19a 1 hr 0 min
    Arrives Newark, NJ (EWR) 11:19a
    Layover in Newark 1 hr 11 min
    Continental Airlines Continental Airlines Flight CO 1159 on a Boeing 737 (jet) in coach class
    (snack)
    Departs Newark, NJ (EWR) Sun, Dec 10 12:30p 2 hrs 34 min
    Arrives Atlanta, GA (ATL) 3:04p
    Note: You must change terminals in Newark (EWR).



    What in gods name is going on? Why is there a train with a CO flight number?

    Sorry if this is a repost but I was just shocked.


    saw the same on aa.com for AA (codeshare) on a train in Germany.


  • I could swear there's some segment in the northeast US that comes up as "on a bus" but I can't find it at the moment. Somewhere in PA possibly.
    One BUS segment that I know of (not in NE US but in Canada) is YUL-XDS (XDS being Ottawa Rail Station) when one books AMS-YOW (Amsterdam - Ottawa) on KL. You'll fly AMS-YUL on KL, then connect to "flight" KL 301 which lists "BUS" as equipment. "Flight" KL 300 is the other way round, XDS-YUL, for passengers connecting to the KL flight to AMS.


  • I'm going to call BS on this. The NS has a very close relationship with KL, and also Skyteam, and until you show me, there is no way that Norwegian State Railway has anything to do with this.

    I'll back up karthik. Go do a search on ITA for AMS-BRU for a random date. It comes up with itineraries for $102 that are listed as "Norwegian State Railways Flight 9B1629 on a train in coach class (operated by DUTCH RAILWAYS NS)."

    So I guess the trains codeshare with each other, too.


  • I'm going to call BS on this. The NS has a very close relationship with KL, and also Skyteam, and until you show me, there is no way that Norwegian State Railway has anything to do with this.


    Would you like a slice of humble pie?
    http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/8236/trainms1.jpg


  • What in gods name is going on? Why is there a train with a CO flight number?

    Several train operators even have IATA airline codes; try a search for AMS-BRU for example and you'll see some 9B (Norwegian State Railways) "flights" on trains.

    I could swear there's some segment in the northeast US that comes up as "on a bus" but I can't find it at the moment. Somewhere in PA possibly.


  • Several train operators even have IATA airline codes; try a search for AMS-BRU for example and you'll see some 9B (Norwegian State Railways) "flights" on trains.

    I could swear there's some segment in the northeast US that comes up as "on a bus" but I can't find it at the moment. Somewhere in PA possibly.


    Last time I checked AMS nor BRU are anywhere near Norway, and therefore are not operated by Norwegian State Railways. My feeling is that you are mistaking the NS (Nederlandse Spoorwegen, which is the Dutch National Railway), which operates the AMS-BRU leg via train, which makes sense seeing as AMS is in the NETHERLANDS. Typically this leg is operated by Thylls, which is a highspeed train, which in all honesty is 2x as fast as having to fly this leg.

    Just my 2 cents.


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    I've seen lots of bus flights... A319 A320 etc... :D


  • I'm going to call BS on this. The NS has a very close relationship with KL, and also Skyteam, and until you show me, there is no way that Norwegian State Railway has anything to do with this.

    No it's true. Do some searches for flights within Western Europe and eventually you'll get segments with Norweigan State Railways, even if you're going nowhere near Norway.


  • I was just stating what it says when you do a search. The train is OPERATED by the Dutch NS as you said (which I've had several pleasant experiences with in the past month), but I believe it'd be booked as Norwegian State Railways if through airline booking channels.

    I'm going to call BS on this. The NS has a very close relationship with KL, and also Skyteam, and until you show me, there is no way that Norwegian State Railway has anything to do with this.







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