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Nasty security lines at SEA ... How long to clear C/D security using MVPG line?

  • My wife endured a 1.5 hour wait to get through B Concourse security on Saturday afternoon (although she has a SW RR card and should be able to use the 'elite' line, she was told that the 'elite' line was closed, and hence had to wait with the recently-disgorged cruise ship masses).

    KING5 tv here in Seattle is saying that the wait times were even worse on Sunday, and not looking much better today (Monday) due to TSA staffing cutbacks (hasn't anyone at TSA taken an Econ 101 course ... surely they know about matching supply to demand?).

    Anyway, the crux of my post: Any reports on how long it is taking to get through the C/D MVPG security line? And are we shoes-on or shoes-off this week?

    Cheers.


  • Five minutes for one person.

    Now, let me see, if the TSA spends 5 minutes on screening one person, and there are 500 people in line...

    You get my drift...


  • From the Seattle Times Website (http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/135072764_airportweb24m.html) (web story updated this afternoon):

    The Port of Seattle decided today to hire 50 “divestiture” people by this weekend to help direct passengers through security lines at the Seattle Tacoma International Airport.

    The new employees would free up security workers for the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) to run the screening equipment at the checkpoints.

    The TSA workers have been handling the duties of walking through the lines at the checkpoints to remind people to empty their pockets of change and other metal objects and to take off their watches.

    The port estimates it will spend $150,000 a month to hire the 50 new workers. Bob Parker, spokesman for the airport, said the expense was justified to move people through the lines faster.


  • Originally posted by DADISGARYK:
    Five minutes for one person.

    Now, let me see, if the TSA spends 5 minutes on screening one person, and there are 500 people in line...

    You get my drift...


    Point well taken but that five minutes was on someone that was given the "full treatment" - baggage and person hand searched, wanded, etc. This takes longer, in any case, than the normal security screening, so long as you have prepared yourself by removing shoes, jackets and laptop computers, etc. BEFORE you arrive at the front of the line.


  • I just found the airport map and answered my own question. Should have done that to begin with, I know.



    [This message has been edited by Pam (edited 06-24-2003).]


  • I quit using the D/N gates 100% at SeaTac about 18 months ago(I use the C gate entry, which will connect to D/N as well, as entry for AA and AS). Even the D/N elite line takes twice as long as the C gates elite line. Couldn't tell you why this happens, as there actually now appears to be more screening machines at D/N than C.

    Depending on the time and day of the week, it will take anything from less than a minute to 5 minutes to clear security at the C gates elite line. Note that to use the elite lines, I believe you need to be either mid tier on UA and AA and Gold on AS to utilize these express lines. MVP's are not eligible.

    The delays are a combination of things, from what I've heard: a), TSA staffing cutbacks due to budgetary concerns, b), the TSA's reaction to these cuts by "slowing down" their work, and last c), the increase of pax due to the heigthened travel season activity.

    I would urge that if anyone going to SeaTac that is going through security as a non-elite, I'd, for now, add 90 minutes at least to your normal pre-arrival time to be on the safe side.

    [This message has been edited by fredmartens (edited 06-23-2003).]


  • I've also been through the C security line many times recently and it's never been more then 5 minutes, even if the regular line is horrible. I also used my MVPG credentials to get through the elite line at the B gates (good, because I was late!) without a problem. (MVPG is not listed on the B gates as they don't fly out of there. They didn't seem to care.)


  • Thanks for all the replies. We've got a dog to check and an 11 month old to maneuver through the crowds, so even though it sounds like we can slide through the elite security line as quickly as usual, I think we'll just get there nice and early and do a little people watching in the Boardroom.

    Safe travels!


  • You'll see flights regularly leaving from the "N" satelite through the end of the year and beyond. Plan on as if you were going to have to go to the "N" satelite each time you head to SEA because you never know.... you just might end up out there and if you haven't planned accordingly you could be in for an unpleasant surprise. Apparently, there is some construction going on near the C/D concourses that is/will be blocking access to various C/D gates which is why the "N" satelite is being used.


  • Had a flight from SEA last night (635p) and had no wait in Elite line at C Security (I'm MVP/Gold) - there were only about 10 people in the non-elite line so it was moving very quick. Took my shoes off because that seems to be the quickest way now....

    -Mike


  • I'm MVPG and PremierExec - it takes me a good 45 minutes to get through security on a "good" day. Yesterday (see post in FT Travel (sorry - don't know how to do the embedded link here). . .re: yesterday's problems. As far as going to the front of the line - seems that wasn't available yesterday. Additionally, I have been told during the last 2 weeks that you are required to take off your shoes. Also, the one door wonder (person at the one door that allows you into N gate screening) does NOT allow people to go to the "fast lane" if he doesn't "feel like it."

    At least 10 people in line yesterday said that a) they were not going to fly again and b) they would not return to Seattle due to this mess. How is this chaos helping the airlines or passengers? BTW - there were several MVPG passengers in this security line as well - nobody was around to direct AS passengers to another portion of the airport/screening part.


  • I had several trips through the C and D elite lines in the last few weeks - never took more than 5 minutes. The regular lines were very long.


  • Originally posted by ldsant:
    Also, the...person at the one door that allows you into N gate screening...does NOT allow people to go to the "fast lane" if he doesn't "feel like it."


    Weird. I have never been denied access to the Elite Secuity Line at N in over a dozen visits - be the main line small or snaking back to the other side of the airport.


  • Actually, I've been doing well w/ short lines in the Elite queue...consistently for the last 6 months.

    I've never quite understood why they accept a regular WN Rapid Rewards card as "elite" qualifying for the B concourse. That said, even the elite line @ B concourse is short.

    Until 2 - 3 weeks ago, I didn't have to remove my tennis shoes...now they seem to be requiring it at SeaTac and other airports (Detroit yesterday).

    Cheers,

    -Steve

    [This message has been edited by smantl01 (edited 06-24-2003).]


  • Originally posted by Will Fly to Fish:
    Anyway, the crux of my post: Any reports on how long it is taking to get through the C/D MVPG security line? And are we shoes-on or shoes-off this week?

    Cheers.



    As has been mentioned, time of day and day of week really determine times. Mornings until noon are usually the busiest but last Sunday the security lines stretched into the street until early afternoon.

    If I were a MVP/G I would be there at least 90 minutes before departure if I had no issues to resolve and just needed to check in. This is based upon using the MVP check-in line and elite security line. There was a 60 minute cutoff for check-in last weekend so you may have missed being able to have a BP issued if you had less than 60 minutes before departure.

    All others, I would plan on 2+ hours for departures before 2:00p. If you have carry-on only and have a BP you might get away with 90 minutes.


  • I flew into SEA from YVR 2 wednesdays ago. Lines were extremely long at about 7:30am til 10am when my connecting flight departed. It was shoes off that week. No idea was needed at the gate for some reason though...nobody was searched or researched at all.


  • I've never had any wait at all at the C/D elite line.

    QL


  • SEA now recommends two hours - period.

    Arrive earlier, and you will both be holding up folks who did arrive two hours before their flight, and you get to sit around waiting for your plane.

    If elligible to use the elite security lines, then one hour should be safe.

    And note that by 9am, the lines were empty. Usually the rush is between 5:30 and 8:30 am as that is when Alaska, Horizon, and United all deploy a lot of flights.


  • Went though B this morning. Looked like a 30 minute line, but then they opened the elite line, so just 5 minutes for me.

    All shoes off today.


  • 6/22 flew AS SEA/PHX around 2pm. Security lines were LONG, but since I am NWA Gold & had been selected in advance for "Random" security check I was sent to front of Elite line and had the whole wanding & carryon check done in 5 minutes.


  • I had an 6:40 am flight last Friday and there was no wait at the D/N elite line. However, the regular security line went all the way back to the bookstore. Took me about 5 minutes to clear through security.


  • I am a United Premiere Executive, and have always been able to use the Elite Security line for the D/N gates (which is also open to Alaska MVP Golds).

    Usually clear in five minutes, as you go right to the front of the "dispersal" point where they assign you to a screening station. And I always take my shoes off, as the metal in them is guaranteed to set off the detetcors.

    You can connect from D/N to C, so if C's line is closed, use D's.


  • No wait at all, SEA C/D and N concourse entry today at 3:15PM; both elite and regular security lines were empty. Good thing, AS moved my PHX flight out to N.







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